Maybe after that particular reasoning to your longer years abruptly looking when you look at the the heraldry will come to light

I believe Tim will be send the goes through of the photo in order to his site, and can blog post one to link to the fresh new newsgroup.

Re: Wingfield Coats-of-Possession

connectivity of members, (brand new Wingfields had been investigated fairly well, and you can despite my personal typo for the Howard nearest and dearest, I do feel the pedigree precisely annotated within RI) >>

I don’t know this can be an exact declaration. Does your own publication address the latest generation *prior* to John Russell just who elizabeth the parents out-of Age Russell who meters Sir Robert Wingfield ?

Re: ? Comyn partner out-of Malise

We have another to fill in a number of the gaps you show forthe great-grand-parents out of Reginald ce Cheyne. One of the primaryadditions comes from his paternal grandmother (NN on the article) havingbeen Mary de Moravia (als de- Moray), sis and you will coheiress away from Freskinde Moravia away from Duffus (their mothers Walter de Moravia and you will Euphemia ofRoss appear lower than). You’ve got the matter about his maternalgrandmother: We keep she is Joanna de Menteith, next partner from Malise,Earl off Strathearn. This will at the very least bring an almost explanationfor Joanna’s daughter Helen regarding Strathearn (wife successively ofReginald ce Cheyne, the daddy, as well as Sir David de Graham) beingnamed for Helen de Menteith, sis from Joanna and partner out of Sir ColinCampbell out-of Lochow (d. bef Get 1343).

Regrettably, I do believe discover added gaps into the Muriel Keith’sancestry (look for below). Regarding possibly enhancements proposed towards the tablesbelow, please advise of every indexed issues, or just what documentationmight imply one error detailed.

I’ve gaps both in ancestries, but ferociously in that from Reginald.Having Muriel Keith, her higher-grandparents I show1 William de Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton

I’m not aware of people documents giving support to the identity on the mate due to the fact Barbara Seton. If you have listed any, please recommend.

3 Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander out-of /Fraser/ Chamberlain out of Scotland d step 3 Aug 13326 Mary de- Brus, Baroness /Fraser/

Sir Alexander Fraser hitched Mary Bruce (otherwise de Brus), and had a great son John identified as ‘nepos’ out-of Robert _the_Bruce. That it young buck try a younger John, however, and not their heir. John Fraser, later on lord regarding Aboyne, was brand new child away from an initial relationships (which partner unfamiliar; You will find which on the authority off Andrew MacEwen).

step three Walter de- Moravia (son out of Hugh de- Moravia, and you can Annabela off Fife) 4 Euphemia from Ross (dau. out of Fearchar, initially Earl off Ross and you can NN deBrus)

5 Malise, sixth Earl regarding /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN perhaps Comyn d aft 13097 Sir John de- Menteith (son of Walter Stewart, Age out-of Menteith and you can

The newest consanguinity ranging from Muriel Keith and Reginald ce Cheyne -known to have been a great-grandson off Malise, Earl of Strathearn (d.1312) – is the best facts (if the indirect) these particular a couple individualshad one ancestor/ancestress in common.

I have gaps in ancestries, but ferociously in this out-of Reginald.To own Muriel Keith, their higher-grandparents We show1 William de- Keith d bef 12932 Barbara Seton3 Alexander de Synton4 NN5 Alexander of /Fraser/ Chamberlain regarding Scotland d 3 Aug 13326 Mary de- Brus, Baroness /Fraser/seven NN Fraser8 NN

Getting Reginald le Cheney it is sparse1 NN Cheney, dos NN, step three NN, cuatro NN5 Malise, sixth Earl off /Strathearn/ bef 1281- d Agnes NN perhaps Comyn d aft 13097 and you may 8 NN

Re: Agnes Beler

Woodford, very early 15the century, within the Leicestershire. Age is new d Villiers and Agnes Beler. Now, I would like to link Agnes so you’re able to Sir Roger Beler, killed because of the Eustace de Folville, however, I can not see people factual statements about their unique. Can be anyone help?

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